Friday, November 11, 2016

personality Types: attempted co-relation

And, finally, co-relating all this to the political map that I use for Co-operative Socialism

Eg at

And using 'JC' for the name labels that 'I' use (note that I use the colo(u)r scheme that's the same as True Colors (a matter of history that I'll relate in a while:

**However**!! Note that each of us is a blend of all four Types !!

*** And *** !! This is a work in progress - it may well need developing.

** AND ** A risk in all this is 'color bashing' - in that words and, therefore, labels can be *very* hurtful.

And, so, the following should be used with the foregoing in mind. I hope!


I found the following, these words suggst, as a first go, that the co-relation of the Carol Ritsberger ('CR') and the True Colors/Personality Dimensions ('TC') is::

CR red = TC Gold = DK Guardian (which, on the four-quadrant graphic on the page cited is colo(u!)red Gold = JC Reactionary Authoritarians (JC/TC Gold)

CR orange = TC Blue = DK Idealist (Green on the graphic there) = JC Progressive Experientialists (JC/TC Blue)

CR yellow = TC Green = DK Rationalist (coloured Blue on that page's graphic) = JC Progressive Authoritarians (JC/TC Green)

CR green = TC orange = DK Artisan (that graphic colours this red) = JC Reactionary Experientialists (JC/TC Orange)

The Four Temperaments

Please Understand Me II, By David Keirsey, PhD Temperament is a configuration of observable personality traits, such as habits of communication, patterns of action, and sets of characteristic attitudes, values, and talents. It also encompasses personal needs, the kinds of contributions that individuals make in the workplace, and the roles they play in society. Dr. David Keirsey has identified mankind's four basic temperaments as the Artisan, the Guardian, the Rational, and the Idealist.

Each temperament has its own unique qualities and shortcomings, strengths and challenges. What accounts for these differences? To use the idea of Temperament most effectively, it is important to understand that the four temperaments are not simply arbitrary collections of characteristics, but spring from an interaction of the two basic dimensions of human behavior: our communication and our action, our words and our deeds, or, simply, what we say and what we do.

Communication: Concrete vs. Abstract

First, people naturally think and talk about what they are interested in, and if you listen carefully to people's conversations, you find two broad but distinct areas of subject matter.

Some people talk primarily about the external, concrete world of everyday reality: facts and figures, work and play, home and family, news, sports and weather -- all the who-what-when-where-and how much's of life.

Other people talk primarily about the internal, abstract world of ideas: theories and conjectures, dreams and philosophies, beliefs and fantasies --all the why's, if's, and what-might-be's of life.

At times, of course, everyone addresses both sorts of topics, but in their daily lives, and for the most part, Concrete people talk about reality, while Abstract people talk about ideas.

Action: Utilitarian vs. Cooperative

Second, at every turn people are trying to accomplish their goals, and if you watch closely how people go about their business, you see that there are two fundamentally opposite types of action.

Some people act primarily in a utilitarian or pragmatic manner, that is, they do what gets results, what achieves their objectives as effectively or efficiently as possible, and only afterwards do they check to see if they are observing the rules or going through proper channels.

Other people act primarily in a cooperative or socially acceptable manner, that is, they try to do the right thing, in keeping with agreed upon social rules, conventions, and codes of conduct, and only later do they concern themselves with the effectiveness of their actions.

These two ways of acting can overlap, certainly, but as they lead their lives, Utilitarian people instinctively, and for the most part, do what works, while Cooperative people do what's right.

The Four Temperaments

    As Concrete Cooperators, Guardians speak mostly of their duties and responsibilities, of what they can keep an eye on and take good care of, and they're careful to obey the laws, follow the rules, and respect the rights of others.

    As Abstract Cooperators, Idealists speak mostly of what they hope for and imagine might be possible for people, and they want to act in good conscience, always trying to reach their goals without compromising their personal code of ethics.

    As Concrete Utilitarians, Artisans speak mostly about what they see right in front of them, about what they can get their hands on, and they will do whatever works, whatever gives them a quick, effective payoff, even if they have to bend the rules.

    As Abstract Utilitarians, Rationals speak mostly of what new problems intrigue them and what new solutions they envision, and always pragmatic, they act as efficiently as possible to achieve their objectives, ignoring arbitrary rules and conventions if need be.

The Whole Picture

And where does the hydrogen come from?

Recall the Second Law and The Spirit Level - we need, yes, to use renewable energy. *But* we need, in the global north-west, to *reduce* our (or more accurately, capitalism's) energy use.

Beacause every wealth creation activity produces *more* pollution (illness) than wellness (wealth) - that's the Second Law of Thermodynamics point.

Ps in this context, illness=disordered materials and energy (ie high entropy stuff) and wealth=well ordered, low-entropy stuff that's 'useful' in helping humans fulfil their (our) needs.

So, hydrogen this and solar that is not going to cut it until we repeal the laws that permit usury (ie capitalism=money getting and accummulating money aka 'money making money').

Hence the plan for Co-operative Socialism.

For more pls see the Needs essay in the papers' section at and colected papers at

Regarding mental not-wellness, I wrote on'my' FB page:

Ps Thx Alex. My post was designed to reach the MQ ppl, who-ever they are - to point out that mental illness is both biochemically/genetically-based and also situationally-based.

For the later term, I'm grateful to my friend Linda Peet who coined this in respect of depression.

The uber-point is that those of us who are (in sanity) miserable/depressed are so because we live in unequal societies (cf The Spirit Level book and *and so* our needs are not being met.

Note, a FB and posting, today, re Needs and hydrogen such that our uber/meta need is to live in a prospering *but also* income-equal society.

Ps Google searching for "situational depression" leads to:

Note the reserves and,both US and 'establishment' reserves one may have about a Wikipedia page on a contraversial/potentially contra-establishment topic.


Love2&4 all,